Initial MCTP design proposal
supreeth.venkatesh at arm.com
Sat Dec 8 03:38:31 AEDT 2018
On Fri, 2018-12-07 at 10:41 +0800, Jeremy Kerr wrote:
> Hi OpenBMCers!
> In an earlier thread, I promised to sketch out a design for a MCTP
> implementation in OpenBMC, and I've included it below.
> This is roughly in the OpenBMC design document format (thanks for the
> reminder Andrew), but I've sent it to the list for initial review
> proposing to gerrit - mainly because there were a lot of folks who
> expressed interest on the list. I suggest we move to gerrit once we
> specific feedback coming in. Let me know if you have general comments
> whenever you like though.
Sounds good. Here are a couple of general comments.
1. We would need DSP0237 v1.1.0 or later (Management Component
Transport Protocol (MCTP) SMBus/I2C Transport Binding Specification) as
2. In the diagram, DSP0218 should be "PLDM for Redfish Device
3. DSP0218 is no longer WIP. PMCI WG approved Draft 10 to be published
by DMTF forum in the next two weeks.
Question: How should we separate this Stack with the existing IPMI
based stack so that both of them dont interfere with each other?
(probably a question for the future once the code gets more advanced.)
> In parallel, I've been developing a prototype for the MCTP library
> mentioned below, including a serial transport binding. I'll push to
> github soon and post a link, once I have it in a
> slightly-more-consumable form.
it would be nice if you could just post the header file (Interface) to
gerrit so that it gets reviewed well before the actual implementation.
BTW, I need to find out how to subscribe for gerrit email notifications
Thank you very much for posting the design diagram.
> # Host/BMC communication channel: MCTP & PLDM
> Author: Jeremy Kerr <jk at ozlabs.org> <jk>
> ## Problem Description
> Currently, we have a few different methods of communication between
> and BMC. This is primarily IPMI-based, but also includes a few
> hardware-specific side-channels, like hiomap. On OpenPOWER hardware
> least, we've definitely started to hit some of the limitations of
> (for example, we have need for >255 sensors), as well as the hardware
> channels that IPMI typically uses.
> This design aims to use the Management Component Transport Protocol
> (MCTP) to provide a common transport layer over the multiple channels
> that OpenBMC platforms provide. Then, on top of MCTP, we have the
> opportunity to move to newer host/BMC messaging protocols to overcome
> some of the limitations we've encountered with IPMI.
> ## Background and References
> Separating the "transport" and "messaging protocol" parts of the
> stack allows us to design these parts separately. Currently, IPMI
> defines both of these; we currently have BT and KCS (both defined as
> part of the IPMI 2.0 standard) as the transports, and IPMI itself as
> messaging protocol.
> Some efforts of improving the hardware transport mechanism of IPMI
> been attempted, but not in a cross-implementation manner so far. This
> does not address some of the limitations of the IPMI data model.
> MCTP defines a standard transport protocol, plus a number of separate
> hardware bindings for the actual transport of MCTP packets. These are
> defined by the DMTF's Platform Management Working group; standards
> available at:
> I have included a small diagram of how these standards may fit
> in an OpenBMC system. The DSP numbers there are references to DMTF
> One of the key concepts here is that separation of transport protocol
> from the hardware bindings; this means that an MCTP "stack" may be
> either a I2C, PCI, Serial or custom hardware channel, without the
> layers of that stack needing to be aware of the hardware
> These higher levels only need to be aware that they are communicating
> with a certain entity, defined by an Entity ID (MCTP EID).
> I've mainly focussed on the "transport" part of the design here.
> this does enable new messaging protocols (mainly PLDM), I haven't
> covered that much; we will propose those details for a separate
> As part of the design, I have referred to MCTP "messages" and
> this is intentional, to match the definitions in the MCTP standard.
> messages are the higher-level data transferred between MCTP
> which packets are typically smaller, and are what is sent over the
> hardware. Messages that are larger than the hardware MTU are split
> individual packets by the transmit implementation, and reassembled at
> the receive implementation.
> A final important point is that this design is for the host <--> BMC
> channel *only*. Even if we do replace IPMI for the host interface, we
> will certainly need an IPMI interface available for external system
> ## Requirements
> Any channel between host and BMC should:
> - Have a simple serialisation and deserialisation format, to enable
> implementations in host firmware, which have widely varying
> - Allow different hardware channels, as we have a wide variety of
> target platforms for OpenBMC
> - Be usable over simple hardware implementations, but have a
> for higher bandwidth messaging on platforms that require it.
> - Ideally, integrate with newer messaging protocols
> ## Proposed Design
> The MCTP core specification just provides the packetisation, routing
> addressing mechanisms. The actual transmit/receive of those packets
> up to the hardware binding of the MCTP transport.
> For OpenBMC, we would introduce an MCTP daemon, which implements the
> transport over a configurable hardware channel (eg., Serial UART, I2C
> PCI). This daemon is responsible for the packetisation and routing of
> MCTP messages to and from host firmware.
> I see two options for the "inbound" or "application" interface of the
> MCTP daemon:
> - it could handle upper parts of the stack (eg PLDM) directly,
> in-process handlers that register for certain MCTP message types;
> - it could channel raw MCTP messages (reassembled from MCTP packets)
> DBUS messages (similar to the current IPMI host daemons), where
> upper layers receive and act on those DBUS events.
> I have a preference for the former, but I would be interested to hear
> from the IPMI folks about how the latter structure has worked in the
> The proposed implementation here is to produce an MCTP "library"
> provides the packetisation and routing functions, between:
> - an "upper" messaging transmit/receive interface, for tx/rx of a
> message to a specific endpoint
> - a "lower" hardware binding for transmit/receive of individual
> packets, providing a method for the core to tx/rx each packet to
> The lower interface would be plugged in to one of a number of
> hardware-specific binding implementations (most of which would be
> included in the library source tree, but others can be plugged-in
> The reason for a library is to allow the same MCTP implementation to
> used in both OpenBMC and host firmware; the library should be
> bidirectional. To allow this, the library would be written in
> portable C
> (structured in a way that can be compiled as "extern C" in C++
> codebases), and be able to be configured to suit those runtime
> environments (for example, POSIX IO may not be available on all
> platforms; we should be able to compile the library to suit). The
> licence for the library should also allow this re-use; I'd suggest a
> dual Apache & GPL licence.
> As for the hardware bindings, we would want to implement a serial
> transport binding first, to allow easy prototyping in simulation. For
> OpenPOWER, we'd want to implement a "raw LPC" binding for better
> performance, and later PCIe for large transfers. I imagine that there
> a need for an I2C binding implementation for other hardware platforms
> Lastly, I don't want to exclude any currently-used interfaces by
> implementing MCTP - this should be an optional component of OpenBMC,
> not require platforms to implement it.
> ## Alternatives Considered
> There have been two main alternatives to this approach:
> Continue using IPMI, but start making more use of OEM extensions to
> suit the requirements of new platforms. However, given that the IPMI
> standard is no longer under active development, we would likely end
> with a large amount of platform-specific customisations. This also
> not solve the hardware channel issues in a standard manner.
> Redfish between host and BMC. This would mean that host firmware
> needs a
> HTTP client, a TCP/IP stack, a JSON (de)serialiser, and support for
> Redfish schema. This is not feasible for all host firmware
> implementations; certainly not for OpenPOWER. It's possible that we
> could run a simplified Redfish stack - indeed, MCTP has a proposal
> for a
> Redfish-over-MCTP protocol, which uses simplified serialisation and
> requirement on HTTP. However, this still introduces a large amount of
> complexity in host firmware.
> ## Impacts
> Development would be required to implement the MCTP transport, plus
> new users of the MCTP messaging (eg, a PLDM implementation). These
> somewhat duplicate the work we have in IPMI handlers.
> We'd want to keep IPMI running in parallel, so the "upgrade" path
> be fairly straightforward.
> Design and development needs to involve potential host firmware
> ## Testing
> For the core MCTP library, we are able to run tests there in complete
> isolation (I have already been able to run a prototype MCTP stack
> through the afl fuzzer) to ensure that the core transport protocol
> For MCTP hardware bindings, we would develop channel-specific tests
> would be run in CI on both host and BMC.
> For the OpenBMC MCTP daemon implementation, testing models would
> on the structure we adopt in the design section.
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