From david at liquidbridge.net  Sat May 30 20:12:59 2020
From: david at liquidbridge.net (David Springate)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 11:12:59 +0100
Subject: [Cbe-oss-dev] bsc.es mirror?
Message-ID: <CAPp-m7vewxZSFggtoALnqfNZzioyGFEZOG0R5yW_qrCZgcpN4w@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone have a copy of the rpms that used to be hosted over at bsc.es?
Stuff like:

   - ppu-binutils-3.2-4.ppc.rpm
   - ppu-gcc-3.2-4.ppc.rpm
   - ppu-gcc-c++-3.2-4.ppc.rpm
   - ppu-toolchain-3.2-4.src.rpm
   - ppu-toolchain-debuginfo-3.2-4.ppc.rpm
   - spu-binutils-3.2-6.ppc.rpm
   - spu-gcc-3.2-6.ppc.rpm
   - spu-gcc-c++-3.2-6.ppc.rpm
   - spu-newlib-1.14.0.200610300000-1.ps3pf.ppc.rpm
   - spu-toolchain-3.2-6.src.rpm
   - spu-toolchain-debuginfo-3.2-6.ppc.rpm

Or perhaps there's a better way of setting up a cross-compiler for PS3
Linux?
Anyone able to help?
(I'm not even sure if this mailing list is dead!)

Thanks in advance,

David
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From geert at linux-m68k.org  Sat May 30 21:01:07 2020
From: geert at linux-m68k.org (Geert Uytterhoeven)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 13:01:07 +0200
Subject: [Cbe-oss-dev] bsc.es mirror?
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Hi David,

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 12:41 PM David Springate <david at liquidbridge.net> wrote:
> Does anyone have a copy of the rpms that used to be hosted over at bsc.es?
> Stuff like:
>
> ppu-binutils-3.2-4.ppc.rpm
> ppu-gcc-3.2-4.ppc.rpm
> ppu-gcc-c++-3.2-4.ppc.rpm
> ppu-toolchain-3.2-4.src.rpm
> ppu-toolchain-debuginfo-3.2-4.ppc.rpm
> spu-binutils-3.2-6.ppc.rpm
> spu-gcc-3.2-6.ppc.rpm
> spu-gcc-c++-3.2-6.ppc.rpm
> spu-newlib-1.14.0.200610300000-1.ps3pf.ppc.rpm
> spu-toolchain-3.2-6.src.rpm
> spu-toolchain-debuginfo-3.2-6.ppc.rpm
>
> Or perhaps there's a better way of setting up a cross-compiler for PS3 Linux?
> Anyone able to help?

Ugh, gcc 3.2.4 is really old. Cell support (both PPU and SPU) was
integrated in upstream gcc.  Ubuntu used to carry (cross) compilers
based on (at least) 4.1, so you should be able to find these
(binary/source) packages, too.

> (I'm not even sure if this mailing list is dead!)

Apparently it isn't, but I was quite surprised to receive a message through
this list, as the previous one was from 2015 ;-)

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

                        Geert


--
Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert at linux-m68k.org

In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
                                -- Linus Torvalds

From d.herrendoerfer at herrendoerfer.name  Sat May 30 21:10:16 2020
From: d.herrendoerfer at herrendoerfer.name (D. Herrendoerfer)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 13:10:16 +0200
Subject: [Cbe-oss-dev] bsc.es mirror?
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Hi David,

> On 30. May 2020, at 12:12, David Springate <david at liquidbridge.net> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have a copy of the rpms that used to be hosted over at bsc.es?
> Stuff like:
> 	? ppu-binutils-3.2-4.ppc.rpm
> 	? ppu-gcc-3.2-4.ppc.rpm
> 	? ppu-gcc-c++-3.2-4.ppc.rpm
> 	? ppu-toolchain-3.2-4.src.rpm
> 	? ppu-toolchain-debuginfo-3.2-4.ppc.rpm
> 	? spu-binutils-3.2-6.ppc.rpm
> 	? spu-gcc-3.2-6.ppc.rpm
> 	? spu-gcc-c++-3.2-6.ppc.rpm
> 	? spu-newlib-1.14.0.200610300000-1.ps3pf.ppc.rpm
> 	? spu-toolchain-3.2-6.src.rpm
> 	? spu-toolchain-debuginfo-3.2-6.ppc.rpm
> Or perhaps there's a better way of setting up a cross-compiler for PS3 Linux?
> Anyone able to help?
> (I'm not even sure if this mailing list is dead!)
> 

I might have a backup somewhere ?. but it might take some time to dig it out.

The gentoo packages for ps3 linux are probably still around. Funny thing: I brought the old Power4 server that used to build that stuff to the recyclers 3 weeks ago, because I thought I?d never need it again.

The mailing list appears to still work ...

> Thanks in advance,
> 
> David

Best wishes, stay safe,
Dirk

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From segher at kernel.crashing.org  Sat May 30 23:21:00 2020
From: segher at kernel.crashing.org (Segher Boessenkool)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 08:21:00 -0500
Subject: [Cbe-oss-dev] bsc.es mirror?
In-Reply-To: <CAMuHMdVEyE14_hALrP4tzkMaJvwtuwbbuxxYqP1uHdfeKHTzsg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPp-m7vewxZSFggtoALnqfNZzioyGFEZOG0R5yW_qrCZgcpN4w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMuHMdVEyE14_hALrP4tzkMaJvwtuwbbuxxYqP1uHdfeKHTzsg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20200530132100.GE31009@gate.crashing.org>

Hi!

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 01:01:07PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 12:41 PM David Springate <david at liquidbridge.net> wrote:
> > Does anyone have a copy of the rpms that used to be hosted over at bsc.es?
> > Stuff like:
> >
> > ppu-binutils-3.2-4.ppc.rpm
> > ppu-gcc-3.2-4.ppc.rpm
> > ppu-gcc-c++-3.2-4.ppc.rpm
> > ppu-toolchain-3.2-4.src.rpm
> > ppu-toolchain-debuginfo-3.2-4.ppc.rpm
> > spu-binutils-3.2-6.ppc.rpm
> > spu-gcc-3.2-6.ppc.rpm
> > spu-gcc-c++-3.2-6.ppc.rpm
> > spu-newlib-1.14.0.200610300000-1.ps3pf.ppc.rpm
> > spu-toolchain-3.2-6.src.rpm
> > spu-toolchain-debuginfo-3.2-6.ppc.rpm
> >
> > Or perhaps there's a better way of setting up a cross-compiler for PS3 Linux?
> > Anyone able to help?
> 
> Ugh, gcc 3.2.4 is really old. Cell support (both PPU and SPU) was
> integrated in upstream gcc.  Ubuntu used to carry (cross) compilers
> based on (at least) 4.1, so you should be able to find these
> (binary/source) packages, too.

It was removed from GCC 9, so the last GCC releases that support it
are GCC 8.x (basic PPU support still exists in current GCC, it's just
PowerPC after all).  There still will be one more GCC 8.x release made
later this year, but that will be the last.

The binutils still support it I believe.  And newlib shouldn't be hard
to build if you have done it before (and manage to select a good
configuration).

If you find some older distribution that supports it, you can find out
how that was built, and that likely still works.

> > (I'm not even sure if this mailing list is dead!)
> 
> Apparently it isn't, but I was quite surprised to receive a message through
> this list, as the previous one was from 2015 ;-)

Hrm it wasn't picked up by my mail sorting filters, either something in
the headers changed, or maybe I just garbage-collected those rules :-)


Segher

From segher at kernel.crashing.org  Sat May 30 23:35:25 2020
From: segher at kernel.crashing.org (Segher Boessenkool)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 08:35:25 -0500
Subject: [Cbe-oss-dev] bsc.es mirror?
In-Reply-To: <20200530132100.GE31009@gate.crashing.org>
References: <CAPp-m7vewxZSFggtoALnqfNZzioyGFEZOG0R5yW_qrCZgcpN4w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMuHMdVEyE14_hALrP4tzkMaJvwtuwbbuxxYqP1uHdfeKHTzsg@mail.gmail.com>
 <20200530132100.GE31009@gate.crashing.org>
Message-ID: <20200530133525.GF31009@gate.crashing.org>

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 08:21:00AM -0500, Segher Boessenkool wrote:
> On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 01:01:07PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > Ugh, gcc 3.2.4 is really old. Cell support (both PPU and SPU) was
> > integrated in upstream gcc.  Ubuntu used to carry (cross) compilers
> > based on (at least) 4.1, so you should be able to find these
> > (binary/source) packages, too.
> 
> It was removed from GCC 9, so the last GCC releases that support it
> are GCC 8.x (basic PPU support still exists in current GCC, it's just
> PowerPC after all).  There still will be one more GCC 8.x release made
> later this year, but that will be the last.

Oh!  And no one knows how well the port still works, that is why it was
removed -- no known or expected users.  So YMMV...  If you build from
source you can just fix any problems you encounter of course, or roll
back to an older release.

(Or just stick to some old binary distro, if that does all you want.)

Good luck and have fun,


Segher

From dominik.klein at gmx.com  Sat May 30 23:44:06 2020
From: dominik.klein at gmx.com (Dominik Klein)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 15:44:06 +0200
Subject: [Cbe-oss-dev] bsc.es mirror?
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References: <CAPp-m7vewxZSFggtoALnqfNZzioyGFEZOG0R5yW_qrCZgcpN4w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2b9c4bd4-fd3e-b71e-d284-c87de5ae7d8a@gmx.com>

Hi,

On 30/05/2020 12:12, David Springate wrote:
> Does anyone have a copy of the rpms that used to be hosted over at bsc.es?
> Stuff like:
>
>     - ppu-binutils-3.2-4.ppc.rpm
>     - ppu-gcc-3.2-4.ppc.rpm
>     - ppu-gcc-c++-3.2-4.ppc.rpm
>     - ppu-toolchain-3.2-4.src.rpm
>     - ppu-toolchain-debuginfo-3.2-4.ppc.rpm
>     - spu-binutils-3.2-6.ppc.rpm
>     - spu-gcc-3.2-6.ppc.rpm
>     - spu-gcc-c++-3.2-6.ppc.rpm
>     - spu-newlib-1.14.0.200610300000-1.ps3pf.ppc.rpm
>     - spu-toolchain-3.2-6.src.rpm
>     - spu-toolchain-debuginfo-3.2-6.ppc.rpm

If you want those exact files, you might want to consider donating to
the Internet Archive - they're doing a great job ;)

https://web.archive.org/web/20080526200305/http://www.bsc.es/projects/deepcomputing/linuxoncell/cellsimulator/sdk2.0/
https://web.archive.org/web/20091215132311/http://www.bsc.es/projects/deepcomputing/linuxoncell/cellsimulator/sdk3.0/
https://web.archive.org/web/20081107160635/http://www.bsc.es/projects/deepcomputing/linuxoncell/cellsimulator/sdk3.1/
https://web.archive.org/web/20101001132238/http://www.bsc.es/projects/deepcomputing/linuxoncell/cellsimulator/sdk3.1.0.1/

Not all of the files might have been archived (completely) but it's a start.

To use those, you best use them on the now obsolete Fedora versions they
were written for.

> Or perhaps there's a better way of setting up a cross-compiler for PS3
> Linux?
> Anyone able to help?
> (I'm not even sure if this mailing list is dead!)

As the other guys already have pointed out, stuff might be in certain
upstream versions of the toolchain but it's been unmaintained for a
while so it might not work that well.

Good luck and let us know how it went :)


Kind regards,
Dominik

From david at liquidbridge.net  Sun May 31 00:34:51 2020
From: david at liquidbridge.net (David Springate)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 15:34:51 +0100
Subject: [Cbe-oss-dev] bsc.es mirror?
In-Reply-To: <2b9c4bd4-fd3e-b71e-d284-c87de5ae7d8a@gmx.com>
References: <CAPp-m7vewxZSFggtoALnqfNZzioyGFEZOG0R5yW_qrCZgcpN4w@mail.gmail.com>
 <2b9c4bd4-fd3e-b71e-d284-c87de5ae7d8a@gmx.com>
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Wow! You've definitely given me something to do :)
I'll be downloading the lot and testing them :)
Thank you so much!

When I have some "getting started" pages up, I'll make sure to post a link
in this mailing list.
Thank you all!

On Sat, 30 May 2020 at 14:44, Dominik Klein <dominik.klein at gmx.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 30/05/2020 12:12, David Springate wrote:
> > Does anyone have a copy of the rpms that used to be hosted over at
> bsc.es?
> > Stuff like:
> >
> >     - ppu-binutils-3.2-4.ppc.rpm
> >     - ppu-gcc-3.2-4.ppc.rpm
> >     - ppu-gcc-c++-3.2-4.ppc.rpm
> >     - ppu-toolchain-3.2-4.src.rpm
> >     - ppu-toolchain-debuginfo-3.2-4.ppc.rpm
> >     - spu-binutils-3.2-6.ppc.rpm
> >     - spu-gcc-3.2-6.ppc.rpm
> >     - spu-gcc-c++-3.2-6.ppc.rpm
> >     - spu-newlib-1.14.0.200610300000-1.ps3pf.ppc.rpm
> >     - spu-toolchain-3.2-6.src.rpm
> >     - spu-toolchain-debuginfo-3.2-6.ppc.rpm
>
> If you want those exact files, you might want to consider donating to
> the Internet Archive - they're doing a great job ;)
>
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20080526200305/http://www.bsc.es/projects/deepcomputing/linuxoncell/cellsimulator/sdk2.0/
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20091215132311/http://www.bsc.es/projects/deepcomputing/linuxoncell/cellsimulator/sdk3.0/
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20081107160635/http://www.bsc.es/projects/deepcomputing/linuxoncell/cellsimulator/sdk3.1/
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20101001132238/http://www.bsc.es/projects/deepcomputing/linuxoncell/cellsimulator/sdk3.1.0.1/
>
> Not all of the files might have been archived (completely) but it's a
> start.
>
> To use those, you best use them on the now obsolete Fedora versions they
> were written for.
>
> > Or perhaps there's a better way of setting up a cross-compiler for PS3
> > Linux?
> > Anyone able to help?
> > (I'm not even sure if this mailing list is dead!)
>
> As the other guys already have pointed out, stuff might be in certain
> upstream versions of the toolchain but it's been unmaintained for a
> while so it might not work that well.
>
> Good luck and let us know how it went :)
>
>
> Kind regards,
> Dominik
>
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From geoff at infradead.org  Sun May 31 01:34:42 2020
From: geoff at infradead.org (Geoff Levand)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 08:34:42 -0700
Subject: [Cbe-oss-dev] bsc.es mirror?
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Hi David,

On 5/30/20 3:12 AM, David Springate wrote:
> Or perhaps there's a better way of setting up a cross-compiler for PS3 Linux?

For the Linux kernel, I just cross compile with the packaged
gcc-powerpc-linux-gnu that gets installed on my host,
currently Ubuntu 19.10, so gcc-9.2.1.

For PPE user programs, I usually just build native on the PS3,
which I now have as Debian sid powerpc (32-bit).  I do have this
script which will (should) fixup a root filesystem to be used as
a cross-compile SYSROOT, but I haven't yet tried it for the PS3:

  https://github.com/glevand/tdd-project/blob/master/scripts/prepare-sysroot.sh

As of now, I don't have a working SPE toolchain.  Its on my
todo list to try and get something that will work on/with
Debian sid.  Please keep us updated if you do any work
towards building an SPE toolchain.

-Geoff