[Cbe-oss-dev] No otheros feature on new PS3 slim ?

[Noah Evans]

Personally I'd prefer to pay for an OS oriented SDK(e.g. mambo that
matches the ps3 instead of a cell blade, a packaged petitboot and
cross compilers) and full documentation of the hypervisor. Like a Net
Yaroze for OS hackers that wouldn't cannibalize any of Sony's game
business. I like Linux, but the Cell has a lot of interesting
applications to systems software research.

Noah

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Elliot Orwells<elliot.orwells at gmail.com> wrote:
> This is a great idea, I would totally buy this. Maybe in conjunction
> with Fixstars and others, Linux discs for sale? Or a la Linux PS2, a
> linux kit order page from Sony.
>
> The ps3 production costs have come down a lot, this is probably not
> about selling ps3's at a loss. It might have to do with money but by not
> wanting to update the hypervisor for free when so few people are using
> this, also maybe some new hardware restrictions?
>
> Robert Whaley escreveu:
>> Sony apparently (and reasonably) doesn't want to lose money on PS3
>> sales to folks who run Linux and never buy games (like me).
>>
>> Perhaps Sony should sell a 'game' that would do nothing but enable
>> otheros on the new slim PS3s.
>>
>> That way Sony could break even on PS3 slim sales to Linux folks and
>> Linux folks could run Linux on a PS3 slim (albeit at some additional
>> cost).
>>
>> Noah Evans wrote:
>>> The ps3 is a game machine. The original fat ps3 was sold at a loss,
>>> which was supposed to be made up for by game sales. This means that
>>> every fat ps3 bought exclusively for OS hacking cost sony >$100.
>>> Considering these logistical issues, Sony was doing us a big favor by
>>> exposing the system for OS development; the least you could do would
>>> be to show a little appreciation.
>>>
>>> Noah
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 4:05 AM, <thegame4121982 at msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I hope SCE's new slim ps3s do very badly in sales. I am very happy
>>>> that I
>>>> was able to buy a ps3 when I did because if I didn't get the chance
>>>> to buy a
>>>> ps3 I would not buy one now. Even though this only affects the new slim
>>>> ps3s,  I am still very dissapointed by this decision.  Since SCE
>>>> decided to
>>>> go this route, I feel that they really need to overhaul the xmb web
>>>> browser
>>>> as well as add support for streamming videos for other formats
>>>> beides flash.
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "François Galea" <francois.galea at prism.uvsq.fr>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:43 AM
>>>> To: "Geoff Levand" <geoffrey.levand at am.sony.com>
>>>> Cc: <cbe-oss-dev at lists.ozlabs.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Cbe-oss-dev] No otheros feature on new PS3 slim ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Geoff,
>>>>>
>>>>> Geoff Levand a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>> The feature of "Install Other OS" was removed from the new
>>>>>> "Slim" PS3 model to focus on delivering games and other
>>>>>> entertainment content. Please be assured that SCE is committed to
>>>>>> continue
>>>>>> the support for previously sold models that have the
>>>>>> "Install Other OS" feature and that this feature will
>>>>>> not be disabled in future firmware releases.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for this clarification.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would just like to express my disappointment about this choice
>>>>> from SCE.
>>>>> It is really bad news for the CBE open source community, because
>>>>> the new ps3
>>>>> customers will not have access to what some oss developers have
>>>>> made, in the
>>>>> idea to let the others profit from their work. I never imaginated
>>>>> SCE would
>>>>> take such an arbitrary decision.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cell B.E. programming is now officially reserved to a restricted
>>>>> community, which is not good news for the architecture in general.
>>>>> I guess
>>>>> most QSx Cell blade purchasers have made early testings on ps3's. I
>>>>> doubt,
>>>>> as this has now become impossible, that selling Cell blades will be
>>>>> as easy
>>>>> as it was. The future will tell us.
>>>>>
>>>>> François
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> cbe-oss-dev mailing list
>>>>> cbe-oss-dev at lists.ozlabs.org
>>>>> https://lists.ozlabs.org/listinfo/cbe-oss-dev
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> cbe-oss-dev mailing list
>>>> cbe-oss-dev at lists.ozlabs.org
>>>> https://lists.ozlabs.org/listinfo/cbe-oss-dev
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> cbe-oss-dev mailing list
>>> cbe-oss-dev at lists.ozlabs.org
>>> https://lists.ozlabs.org/listinfo/cbe-oss-dev
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> cbe-oss-dev mailing list
>> cbe-oss-dev at lists.ozlabs.org
>> https://lists.ozlabs.org/listinfo/cbe-oss-dev
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> cbe-oss-dev mailing list
> cbe-oss-dev at lists.ozlabs.org
> https://lists.ozlabs.org/listinfo/cbe-oss-dev
>