<div dir="ltr"><br>>Overall, I've read the code, and your email, and I really have no idea what's being proposed that doesn't already exist in a much simpler form, <br>>using the existing error handling mechanisms. While your point that one failing property can fail the whole call is correct, <br>>that's the intent. If an internal service fails, that needs propagated to the user, in the form of an error code, per the Redfish specification.<br><br>please refer Table 17 — Primitive data types in <a href="https://www.dmtf.org/sites/default/files/standards/documents/DSP0266_1.18.0.pdf">https://www.dmtf.org/sites/default/files/standards/documents/DSP0266_1.18.0.pdf</a><br>null value, which the service uses when it is unable to determine the property's value due to an error or<br>other temporary condition, or if the schema has requirements for using null for other special conditions.<br><br><br>> One thing I don't understand is what code is actually failing in this case? Can you point to a place where an error is returned that you'd like >handled differently? <br>> Speaking in concrete terms would help to make the generalized change you're attempting here<br><br>If there is an error in only one property, we want to represent that a specific property is failing in the URI instead of failing the entire URI.<br><br><br>>Please look at error_messages.hpp and error_messages.cpp<br><br>We cannot have error messages when the HTTP return code is 200.<br><br><br>> For properties that have a "null" or "invalid" value, this is already implemented, generally with a simple branch.<br>> Example from sensors:<br>><a href="https://github.com/openbmc/bmcweb/blob/99bf026224d6ea60be27bd36793ddfaea5537d2a/redfish-core/lib/sensors.hpp#L934">https://github.com/openbmc/bmcweb/blob/99bf026224d6ea60be27bd36793ddfaea5537d2a/redfish-core/lib/sensors.hpp#L934</a><br><br>This addresses only the double datatype. We are planning to implement it for all data types. Please refer to the following table.<br><br>>If the dbus data type is incorrect this already sets internal error (500). <br>>Please look at sdbusplus::unpackPropertiesNoThrow usage in bmcweb. <br>>Given that the interface failed, this is the most specific error we can give the user. We do log the source of the error though.<br><br>We are considering the case where only one property is failing, not the entire interface. We don't want to fail the entire URI <br>and we had mentioned the same in the very first email.<br><br>>> 1 . Using exceptions in our backend D-Bus service by throwing exceptions in the D-Bus property get handlers. <br>>>It works fine for the Get property method call. However, when using the Get All method call, <br>>>if one property fails, an error is returned without checking the other properties. <br>>>Is there a way to implement exceptions in GetAll so that even if one property fails, we can still fetch the remaining properties.<br><br><br>Error represenation Table for different data types<br>| D-Bus Data Type | Value of the D-Bus Property in case of Error | Property Value as seen on Redfish |<br>|-----------------|---------------------------------------------|----------------------------------|<br>| INT16 | INT_MAX | null |<br>| UINT16 | UINT_MAX | null |<br>| INT32 | LONG_MAX | null |<br>| UINT32 | ULONG_MAX | null |<br>| INT64 | LLONG_MAX | null |<br>| UINT64 | ULLONG_MAX | null |<br>| DOUBLE | std::numeric_limits<T>::quiet_NaN() | null |<br>| STRING | BE_ERROR-XXX | null |<br>| BOOL | uint8_t {0–false, 1–true, others- error} | null |<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 31, 2023 at 10:31 PM Ed Tanous <<a href="mailto:edtanous@google.com">edtanous@google.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 31, 2023 at 4:47 AM chandu chanti <<a href="mailto:chandutmba@gmail.com" target="_blank">chandutmba@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi team,<br><br>We have drafted a proposal for "<span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px">Using default values in D-Bus properties to indicate errors" </span> as <span dir="ltr">communicated in previous mail.</span><br><br>Issue with Existing Implementation:<br>Error handling is not implemented in the existing bmcweb source.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This statement is verifiably incorrect. Many discussions have been had about how we handle Dbus, json, and Redfish errors, and the handling policies are written down in DBUS_USAGE.md. Please familiarize yourself with those previous discussions, and if you believe the conclusion was incorrect, quote those in your response.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"> The values fetched from D-Bus are used directly in the Redfish response, except for some properties.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>While this is true for properties that are intended to be sent directly to the user, like Asset information, it's not true of all properties.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"> T<span dir="ltr">here was no way to represent error for a given data type on Redfish.</span></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Please look at error_messages.hpp and error_messages.cpp</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><br>New Implementation Proposal:<br>We plan to handle errors from backend D-Bus services in bmcweb using a custom data type class. We will implement a helper class to create a new data type called mydatatype_t. An object of this class will be created with the D-Bus property value as input. This object will be assigned to the JSON response using the assignment operator. This assignment operation will invoke the to_json function with the mydatatype_t object, where D-Bus values will be validated based on their data types. </div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br>Data Types and Default Values:<br>The following values will be set on the D-Bus property in case of an error, based on the data type.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If the dbus data type is incorrect this already sets internal error (500). Please look at sdbusplus::unpackPropertiesNoThrow usage in bmcweb. Given that the interface failed, this is the most specific error we can give the user. We do log the source of the error though.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"> In Redfish, we will validate these properties. If the D-Bus property value matches the error value, we will update the property value as null in the Redfish JSON response; otherwise, the corresponding value on D-Bus will be used.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>For properties that have a "null" or "invalid" value, this is already implemented, generally with a simple branch.</div><div>Example from sensors:<br><a href="https://github.com/openbmc/bmcweb/blob/99bf026224d6ea60be27bd36793ddfaea5537d2a/redfish-core/lib/sensors.hpp#L934" target="_blank">https://github.com/openbmc/bmcweb/blob/99bf026224d6ea60be27bd36793ddfaea5537d2a/redfish-core/lib/sensors.hpp#L934</a><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse">
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</table><br><span dir="ltr"></span></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This table does not match with the Redfish spec on error handling behavior. Please familiarize yourself with <a href="https://www.dmtf.org/sites/default/files/standards/documents/DSP0266_1.18.0.pdf" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,102,179);text-decoration-line:none;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13.6px" target="_blank">DSP0266</a>, and any updates you make, please reference that specification.</div><div><br></div><div>Also, I have no idea what "BE_ERROR-XXX" is supposed to represent.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span dir="ltr">In case of error conditions Redfish will report "null" for a property irrespective of the data type.</span><br><br><div>For error validation, we will implement a custom class, which will facilitate error validation for D-Bus values. In instances of errors, a null value will be allocated to the JSON response. Example for the uint16_t data type.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>As written, this seems considerably worse than what we have today, and goes backwards on things like: <a href="https://github.com/openbmc/bmcweb/issues/176" target="_blank">https://github.com/openbmc/bmcweb/issues/176</a></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div><br></div><div><img src="cid:ii_llz2xobr2" alt="image.png" width="188" height="17" style="margin-right: 0px;"><br></div><div><br><img src="cid:ii_llz2fns20" alt="image.png" style="margin-right: 0px;" width="472" height="34"><br><br>For more implementation details please refer the following gerrit link, we implemented it for redfish URI /redfish/v1/Systems/<str>/Memory/<str>/.<div><a href="https://gerrit.openbmc.org/c/openbmc/bmcweb/+/66368" target="_blank">https://gerrit.openbmc.org/c/openbmc/bmcweb/+/66368</a><br><br>Your feedback and insights are greatly appreciated.<br><br>Thanks,<br>Chandrasekhar T.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Overall, I've read the code, and your email, and I really have no idea what's being proposed that doesn't already exist in a much simpler form, using the existing error handling mechanisms. While your point that one failing property can fail the whole call is correct, that's the intent. If an internal service fails, that needs propagated to the user, in the form of an error code, per the Redfish specification.</div><div><br></div><div>One thing I don't understand is what code is actually failing in this case? Can you point to a place where an error is returned that you'd like handled differently? Speaking in concrete terms would help to make the generalized change you're attempting here.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 12:37 PM Shakeeb Pasha <<a href="mailto:shakeebbk@gmail.com" target="_blank">shakeebbk@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:large">Thanks Joseph for the response.</div><div style="font-size:large"><span style="font-size:small">>> I didn't see anyone else answer this. Is your question about how to</span><br style="font-size:small"><span style="font-size:small">>> architect or design your D-Bus interfaces? Is the reference the BMCWeb</span><br style="font-size:small"><span style="font-size:small">>> merely to provide context as a consumer of these D-Bus services? I</span><br style="font-size:small"><span style="font-size:small">>> assume so.</span><br style="font-size:small">Question is two pronged, one we wanted to know the best way to propagate error from dbus to bmcweb.</div><div><font size="4">Options we tried:</font></div><div><font size="4">1. Have handlers of each property throw an exception if there was an error. But this did not work well with current bmcweb implementation(get all method call), as it would lead to the entire resource not getting populated even if we have one property failing.</font></div><div><font size="4">2. Implement one additional associated rc property - and do the error handling bmcweb by looking at that, but this doubled up the number of properties on dbus.</font></div><div><font size="4">3. Use "default values" per property data type, but this would fail for extreme cases like if the property is u32, and if the default value used was INT_MAX, then it breaks when the property could take value 0xFFFFFFFF as valid value.</font></div><div><font size="4">So the query here was to check if any preference from above options or hear any new approaches as well.</font></div><div><font size="4"><br></font></div><div><font size="4">The second query was about how to represent this error(per property error) on redfish, our proposal for now is to return "NULL" for any property that might be failing at the backend. Any thoughts on this approach?</font></div><div><font size="4"><br></font><span style="font-size:small">>> I don't have any special insights. Are you looking to follow a design</span><br style="font-size:small"><span style="font-size:small">>> pattern? Are you looking for direction from the BMCWeb maintainers?</span><br></div><div><span style="font-size:small"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:large">Yes, we are working on a design pattern proposal and will publish it here for review.</div><div style="font-size:large">It would be great if we could get some directions/inputs from the maintainers as well.</div><div style="font-size:large"><br></div><div style="font-size:large">Thanks,</div><div style="font-size:large">Shakeeb</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 10:33 PM Joseph Reynolds <<a href="mailto:jrey@linux.ibm.com" target="_blank">jrey@linux.ibm.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 7/20/23 2:04 AM, chandu chanti wrote:<br>
> Hi Team, We are planning to handle errors from backend services in bmc <br>
> web. We are considering the following approaches to implement it, but <br>
> we are facing some issues. please provide your inputs. 1 . Using <br>
> exceptions in our backend D-Bus service<br>
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> We are planning to handle errors from backend services in bmc web. We <br>
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> facing some issues. please provide your inputs.<br>
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<span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"></span>I didn't see anyone else answer this. Is your question about how to <br>
architect or design your D-Bus interfaces? Is the reference the BMCWeb <br>
merely to provide context as a consumer of these D-Bus services? I <br>
assume so.<br>
<br>
I don't have any special insights. Are you looking to follow a design <br>
pattern? Are you looking for direction from the BMCWeb maintainers?<br>
<br>
Joseph<br>
<br>
> 1 . Using exceptions in our backend D-Bus service by throwing <br>
> exceptions in the D-Bus property get handlers. It works fine for the <br>
> Get property method call. However, when using the Get All method call, <br>
> if one property fails, an error is returned without checking the other <br>
> properties. Is there a way to implement exceptions in GetAll so that <br>
> even if one property fails, we can still fetch the remaining properties.<br>
><br>
> 2. Using default values in D-Bus properties to indicate errors. Is <br>
> there a reference implementation available for setting default values <br>
> for string and integer data types in bmc web, similar to the <br>
> implementation of NaN (default value) for the double data type in <br>
> cable.hpp.<br>
><br>
> 3. Implement associated return code per property on dbus, but this <br>
> would be very inefficient in terms of double the properties on dbus, <br>
> something we would like to avoid<br>
><br>
> Thanks<br>
> Chandrasekhar T.<br>
><br>
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