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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">Hi Joseph,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">Thank you for your valuable input, I will check the resources and contacts you shared. Thanks again!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">Angela<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Joseph Reynolds <jrey@linux.ibm.com> <br>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2023 2:18 AM<br>
To: Wang. Angela (TPE) <Angela_Wang@compal.com>; openbmc@lists.ozlabs.org<br>
Subject: [External Mail] Re: Questions about OpenBMC</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">The email is from outside, please be careful to confirm the mail source, hyperlink and attachment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"新細明體",serif">郵件來自外部</span><span lang="EN-US">,</span><span style="font-family:"新細明體",serif">請謹慎確認來源、連結與附檔</span><span lang="EN-US">.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">Email t</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Courier New"">ừ</span><span lang="EN-US"> b</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Courier New"">ê</span><span lang="EN-US">n ngo</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Courier New"">à</span><span lang="EN-US">i,
Vui l</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Courier New"">ò</span><span lang="EN-US">ng c</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Courier New"">ẩ</span><span lang="EN-US">n th</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Courier New"">ậ</span><span lang="EN-US">n
x</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Courier New"">á</span><span lang="EN-US">c nh</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Courier New"">ậ</span><span lang="EN-US">n ngu</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Courier New"">ồ</span><span lang="EN-US">n
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v</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Courier New"">à</span><span lang="EN-US"> t</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Courier New"">ệ</span><span lang="EN-US">p
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Courier New"">đí</span><span lang="EN-US">nh k</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Courier New"">è</span><span lang="EN-US">m.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">On 2/13/23 9:26 PM, <a href="mailto:Angela_Wang@compal.com">
<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Angela_Wang@compal.com</span></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> Dear Sir or Madam, Greetings. We are interested in incorporating
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> OpenBMC into our commercial product/service, and we are studying
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> OpenBMC</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Courier New"">’</span><span lang="EN-US">s licensing policy as attached, which is downloaded from<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> https:</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Cambria Math",serif"> </span><span lang="EN-US">//github.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Cambria Math",serif"> </span><span lang="EN-US">com/openbmc/docs/blob/master/LICENSE.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> This Message Is From an Untrusted Sender You have not previously
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> corresponded with this sender.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> Dear Sir or Madam,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> Greetings. We are interested in incorporating OpenBMC into our
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> commercial product/service, and we are studying OpenBMC</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Courier New"">’</span><span lang="EN-US">s licensing
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> policy as attached, which is downloaded from
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> <a href="https://github.com/openbmc/docs/blob/master/LICENSE">
<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">https://github.com/openbmc/docs/blob/master/LICENSE</span></a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> To make sure we understand the terms and conditions correctly, may we
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> seek your clarification for below 2 points?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> 1.*_Logo_*: in Section 2-b-2 it says
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Courier New"">“</span><span lang="EN-US">Patent and trademark rights are
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> not licensed under this Public License.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Courier New"">”</span><span lang="EN-US">, thus to our understanding,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> we (licensee) are not allowed to use OpenBMC</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Courier New"">’</span><span lang="EN-US">s logo because the logo
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> is one kind of trademark and belongs to the licensor.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">...snip...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">I understand projects downstream from OpenBMC (products or services) are allowed to use the OpenBMC logo to celebrate the fact that it is "Based on OpenBMC" (but I cannot find any statement to that effect). So I don't
know the answer. OpenBMC's controlling Technical Charter is here:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://www.openbmc.org/"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">https://www.openbmc.org/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">OpenBMC's Charter mentions licensing and also references the OpenBMC "technical steering committee" (TSC), who can help answer questions about licensing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">Finally, I think the intention is for downstream projects to replace the logo with their own logo. Asking the Web development team may help.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://github.com/openbmc/openbmc/blob/master/README.md#contact"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">https://github.com/openbmc/openbmc/blob/master/README.md#contact</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">Email works, and also consider quicker feedback. For example, ask the Web development how to replace the logo in Discord > OpenBMC > #webui channel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> 2.*_Pricing_*: from Section 2-b-3 we understand that we are allowed to
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> sell our commercial product/service which incorporates GitHub</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Courier New"">’</span><span lang="EN-US">s
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> OpenBMC code on a royalty-free basis. There is no need to report to
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> GitHub our sales amount, and GitHub will not audit our sales record
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> either. As for the pricing listed in _https://github.com/pricing
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> <<a href="https://github.com/pricing"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">https://github.com/pricing</span></a>>_, it refers to the extra technical
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> support provided by GitHub, and we will need to pay _only if_ we need
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> these extra technical support service from GitHub. *_Is this
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> understanding correct? Please correct me if I am wrong._*<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">That matches my understanding of the intention of the OpenBMC project.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">Pursuant to my previous statement, although I participate in my company's license compliance process, please note I am not an attorney, so this is not legal advice.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">When you pick up the OpenBMC project and use it for yourself, you are responsible to comply with all of the open source software licenses for components built into your firmware image, whether they are from the OpenBMC
project itself or from projects they bring in (like the Linux kernel, openssl, glibc, etc.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">The Yocto process offers help to get the list of packages, versions, and licenses. Ref:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://docs.yoctoproject.org/dev-manual/common-tasks.html#maintaining-open-source-license-compliance-during-your-product-s-lifecycle"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">https://docs.yoctoproject.org/dev-manual/common-tasks.html#maintaining-open-source-license-compliance-during-your-product-s-lifecycle</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">I hope this helps.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">Joseph<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> Your response is appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> Angela<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">...snip...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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