<html><head></head><body dir="auto" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="ApplePlainTextBody"><div class="ApplePlainTextBody">Thanks for the good discussion on this.<br><br>Patrick, I see you mentioned the TimeOwner in your response. TimeOwner was another thing that was disliked by the users and I had sent an email couple months ago asking if anyone still needs it. I did not see anyone saying they need. I then proposed removing TimeOwner feature. <br><br>So, if we want to make it simpler, we would want to:<br><br>- Remove TimeOwner concept<br>- Remove the deferred updates to Manual / NTP settings.<br><br>Please let me know if you see anything that might be affected by this ?.<br><br>Thanks,<br>!! Vishwa !!<br><br><blockquote type="cite">On 19-Feb-2020, at 3:21 AM, Patrick Williams <patrick@stwcx.xyz> wrote:<br><br>On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 04:01:00PM -0500, Brad Bishop wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Please could you help with your thoughts on this ?.. What is the Industry norm on this ?<br></blockquote><br>FWIW on our (IBM) system designs we usually hook an RTC up to the BMC, and any host software needing a RTC has to get it via some in-band software interface. I think I heard somewhere though that often in other systems designs the RTC is connected to the host processors and the BMC doesn’t have access to it.<br></blockquote><br>FB's OCP designs all have the RTC to the Host, so I'm not sure any of<br>this is applicable to us.<br></blockquote><br>Are there any down sides to designs like this? I guess if NTP is not an option on the BMC, you are at the mercy of the host firmware if you want correct time. If NTP is in use on the BMC does an RTC still do anything for you?<br></blockquote><br>There are times that the BMC doesn't know what time it is and reverts<br>back to 1970. At least until the network and NTP are up again. I'm not <br>sure the history at why we arrived at this design, honestly.<br><br>-- <br>Patrick Williams<br></blockquote><br></div></body></html>